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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by stevloc</title>
		<link>http://www.newmedialabs.co.za/mapping/building-a-relational-city-suburb-database-for-south-africa-and-why-i-wouldn%e2%80%99t-trust-yahoo-woeids/comment-page-1#comment-1515</link>
		<dc:creator>stevloc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howzit guys,

Any idea where I can buy a SUBURBS SQL DB for South Africa please?

I have one from http://www.geopostcodes.com/ but it&#039;s missing so much data and really unreliable for South Africa.

I really appreciate your help...

Stev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howzit guys,</p>
<p>Any idea where I can buy a SUBURBS SQL DB for South Africa please?</p>
<p>I have one from <a href="http://www.geopostcodes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.geopostcodes.com/</a> but it&#8217;s missing so much data and really unreliable for South Africa.</p>
<p>I really appreciate your help&#8230;</p>
<p>Stev</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by Thorsten</title>
		<link>http://www.newmedialabs.co.za/mapping/building-a-relational-city-suburb-database-for-south-africa-and-why-i-wouldn%e2%80%99t-trust-yahoo-woeids/comment-page-1#comment-1514</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The suburb data in OSM, was imported from SAGNS (South African Geographical Names System) database with a script in 2008.
What i have read the SAGNS database seems to have clean city/town/suburb data.
But I have not been able to get hold of the SAGNS database, if anyone has it please let me know.

Thorsten</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The suburb data in OSM, was imported from SAGNS (South African Geographical Names System) database with a script in 2008.<br />
What i have read the SAGNS database seems to have clean city/town/suburb data.<br />
But I have not been able to get hold of the SAGNS database, if anyone has it please let me know.</p>
<p>Thorsten</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by Nicholas Lindenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.newmedialabs.co.za/mapping/building-a-relational-city-suburb-database-for-south-africa-and-why-i-wouldn%e2%80%99t-trust-yahoo-woeids/comment-page-1#comment-1400</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Lindenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings

You could make use of the OpenStreetMap.org dataset &amp; API.  It has suburbs defined in several ways (looking at the results from &quot;Constantia, Cape Town, South Africa.&quot;)

Most of the major municipalities make their GIS datasets available to the public, for free/cost of media - you can contact the Cape Town GIS unit and obtain shapefiles of their suburbs, the road center-lines, etc and edit &amp; upload from that base.

vale,
Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings</p>
<p>You could make use of the OpenStreetMap.org dataset &amp; API.  It has suburbs defined in several ways (looking at the results from &#8220;Constantia, Cape Town, South Africa.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Most of the major municipalities make their GIS datasets available to the public, for free/cost of media &#8211; you can contact the Cape Town GIS unit and obtain shapefiles of their suburbs, the road center-lines, etc and edit &amp; upload from that base.</p>
<p>vale,<br />
Nick</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.newmedialabs.co.za/mapping/building-a-relational-city-suburb-database-for-south-africa-and-why-i-wouldn%e2%80%99t-trust-yahoo-woeids/comment-page-1#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aslam, 

Not totally born again to the JC, I mean JS world ;)

I still need this data in SQL Server (and ultimately .NET ;). Let’s just say it is an enterprise architecture constraint that I don’t have control over. I’ll post another post today that will make sense of what I/we are trying to do. But more than anything I’m wanting a colloquial database of suburbs rather than a governmental one. So this&#039;ll turn into a basic MVC app (geowiki) that will allow point editing and suburb joining via a parent suburb - as described.

I have 10 000 data rich points of interest in a SQL Server database (2008), these points are geography objects. My desire is to do queries like “give me all points of type x in STEnvelope y” [well that’s the pseudo code of it anyway]. There are other cool queries you can do in SQL Server geospatial like give me all suburbs polygons that intersect with suburb x. Also SQL Server geospatial queries are an order of magnitude faster than queries where longitude and latitude are defined as decimals or floats and the bounding box is defined by max min x y constraints. I don&#039;t even want to think about doing these queries on the client side, besides a lot of the queries happen through native mobile apps.  

See you for No More Fluff. 

ps. yes.. this should so be a MongoDB problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aslam, </p>
<p>Not totally born again to the JC, I mean JS world ;)</p>
<p>I still need this data in SQL Server (and ultimately .NET ;). Let’s just say it is an enterprise architecture constraint that I don’t have control over. I’ll post another post today that will make sense of what I/we are trying to do. But more than anything I’m wanting a colloquial database of suburbs rather than a governmental one. So this&#8217;ll turn into a basic MVC app (geowiki) that will allow point editing and suburb joining via a parent suburb &#8211; as described.</p>
<p>I have 10 000 data rich points of interest in a SQL Server database (2008), these points are geography objects. My desire is to do queries like “give me all points of type x in STEnvelope y” [well that’s the pseudo code of it anyway]. There are other cool queries you can do in SQL Server geospatial like give me all suburbs polygons that intersect with suburb x. Also SQL Server geospatial queries are an order of magnitude faster than queries where longitude and latitude are defined as decimals or floats and the bounding box is defined by max min x y constraints. I don&#8217;t even want to think about doing these queries on the client side, besides a lot of the queries happen through native mobile apps.  </p>
<p>See you for No More Fluff. </p>
<p>ps. yes.. this should so be a MongoDB problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by Aslam Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.newmedialabs.co.za/mapping/building-a-relational-city-suburb-database-for-south-africa-and-why-i-wouldn%e2%80%99t-trust-yahoo-woeids/comment-page-1#comment-1397</link>
		<dc:creator>Aslam Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, congratulations on being born-again :-)

Secondly, LocationsZA is only 3MB in size.  It&#039;s enough to fit in memory all the time and never have to store in SQL Server.  

Thirdly, it&#039;s small enough in size to live in the browser, cached for a reasonable time.

Fourthly, if you do everything in JS, your parsing won&#039;t be parsing by plain old JS object manipulation, which, together with some decent list comprehension, your code will shrink to a just a few simple lines.

Don&#039;t stop having fun ...

-- Aslam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, congratulations on being born-again :-)</p>
<p>Secondly, LocationsZA is only 3MB in size.  It&#8217;s enough to fit in memory all the time and never have to store in SQL Server.  </p>
<p>Thirdly, it&#8217;s small enough in size to live in the browser, cached for a reasonable time.</p>
<p>Fourthly, if you do everything in JS, your parsing won&#8217;t be parsing by plain old JS object manipulation, which, together with some decent list comprehension, your code will shrink to a just a few simple lines.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t stop having fun &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211; Aslam</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by Andre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just asked &#039;n GIS buddy of mine that&#039;s been in the industry for years. He&#039;s also only aware of the CSG dataset, but suspect it would be available at a municipal level... sounds like headaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just asked &#8216;n GIS buddy of mine that&#8217;s been in the industry for years. He&#8217;s also only aware of the CSG dataset, but suspect it would be available at a municipal level&#8230; sounds like headaches.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything is doable Joely, anything. 

ps. Damn fine idea.. as a wiki I could imagine this becoming very useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything is doable Joely, anything. </p>
<p>ps. Damn fine idea.. as a wiki I could imagine this becoming very useful.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Greg I appreciate your comment and I know about the Surveyor General (in fact I had a job with them while doing my MSc [I was a lowly data capturer before the 99 consensus]. I really don’t find the surveyor generals data that useful, much like I don’t find the Yahoo data that great (yahoo has the Mallay Quarter vs I would like Bo Kaap for example). So maybe the wiki stores colloquial names also? I also think this would be a popular opinion driven thing. For example to me Constantia doesn’t extend past the M3 [call me a snob but I see that as Medoridge]. 

Also I really want to be able to store parent suburbs like Greater Sandton (which as a yahoo polygon is tiny) which will include Morningside, Rivonia etc.. 

Also I want to expose WKT and not just KML shapes files, it seems like the Surveyor General’s data is quite obscure in that way – but then I’m and engineer and not a GIS person. 

Love your work BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg I appreciate your comment and I know about the Surveyor General (in fact I had a job with them while doing my MSc [I was a lowly data capturer before the 99 consensus]. I really don’t find the surveyor generals data that useful, much like I don’t find the Yahoo data that great (yahoo has the Mallay Quarter vs I would like Bo Kaap for example). So maybe the wiki stores colloquial names also? I also think this would be a popular opinion driven thing. For example to me Constantia doesn’t extend past the M3 [call me a snob but I see that as Medoridge]. </p>
<p>Also I really want to be able to store parent suburbs like Greater Sandton (which as a yahoo polygon is tiny) which will include Morningside, Rivonia etc.. </p>
<p>Also I want to expose WKT and not just KML shapes files, it seems like the Surveyor General’s data is quite obscure in that way – but then I’m and engineer and not a GIS person. </p>
<p>Love your work BTW.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by J Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long would this take you to change into a location booking application for the film indsutry, where you create the bound box of a shoot and run a pencil system that holds bookings until confirmed or a release is demanded by the pencil below in the order?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long would this take you to change into a location booking application for the film indsutry, where you create the bound box of a shoot and run a pencil system that holds bookings until confirmed or a release is demanded by the pencil below in the order?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Relational City Suburb Database for South Africa (and why I wouldn’t trust Yahoo WOEIDs) by Greg Mahlknecht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Mahlknecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a romp around here - Surveyor General - I&#039;ve dealt with them in the past, they have decent data, and are great to work with.  One department I have no problem with my tax money going to ... http://csg.dla.gov.za/

StatsSA used to publish all the wards/municipalities (can&#039;t remember if they did suburb/town) as shp files, but I see have pulled back on that now.  You might be able to harass them for raw data.

The big question is how public can you make the data you get from them?  You&#039;d have to have a chat with them and read their terms.  Maybe you&#039;ll get lucky.  I use the Surveyor General data on my streetmaps site with credit, that&#039;s within the scope of the license; I&#039;m not sure if wholesale repackaging and distributing would be too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a romp around here &#8211; Surveyor General &#8211; I&#8217;ve dealt with them in the past, they have decent data, and are great to work with.  One department I have no problem with my tax money going to &#8230; <a href="http://csg.dla.gov.za/" rel="nofollow">http://csg.dla.gov.za/</a></p>
<p>StatsSA used to publish all the wards/municipalities (can&#8217;t remember if they did suburb/town) as shp files, but I see have pulled back on that now.  You might be able to harass them for raw data.</p>
<p>The big question is how public can you make the data you get from them?  You&#8217;d have to have a chat with them and read their terms.  Maybe you&#8217;ll get lucky.  I use the Surveyor General data on my streetmaps site with credit, that&#8217;s within the scope of the license; I&#8217;m not sure if wholesale repackaging and distributing would be too.</p>
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